Friday, October 16, 2009

Sinking island inspires Cabinet meeting – underwater

Posted: 1114 GMT
(CNN) — The President of the Maldives is to chair an underwater Cabinet meeting tomorrow to highlight the threat global warming and rising sea levels pose to his low-lying nation.
President Mohamed Nasheed and 14 of his government ministers will don scuba gear and descend to a table six meters underwater.
To prepare, the ministers have been learning the basics of scuba diving on the weekends. Nasheed already is a certified diver.
Read more about the watery meeting
The Maldives is the lowest-lying country on the planet, with the majority of the island’s landmass less than two meters above sea level. Its highest point is only just over the height of an average man above the waters of the surrounding Indian Ocean.
As sea levels have risen over 20 centimeters in the last century, scientists predict that by the end of this century the Maldives may be uninhabitable — a modern day Atlantis consumed by the sea.
Earlier this year President Nasheed announced he was looking to relocate the country to new lands — possibly in India, Sri Lanka or Australia — and was putting aside funds from the island’s main source of income, tourism, for that purpose.
Nasheed is also looking to the climate change conference in Copenhagen at the end of the year to help the islands with the problem of rising sea levels.
President Nasheed will be on Connect the World tonight. Send us your thoughts and comments on the Maldives, underwater cabinet meetings and climate change, and we’ll include the best in the show tonight.

Clint Kegel   October 16th, 2009 1432 GMT
Of course there is no such thing as global warming. There is constant global temperature change that is cause by the sun and many other natural factors. But humans have nothing to do with climate change as we can’t change it one way or the other. We know the Vikings were grazing sheep and raising cabbage on Greenand 1,000 years ago. Greenland is now inhabitable. I have sent Algore two letters inquiring how many SUV’s were removed from the roads and how many power stations were closed 1,000 years ago to return Greenland to a frozen wasteland. Apparently he is still doing research because he hasn’t answered me yet. I’ll bet he is having Michael Moore help him and he can’t get Michael away from the dinner table long enough to do the research!

Mohammed Dawood   October 16th, 2009 1458 GMT
Will a relocation of your country to lands like SriLanka, India or Bangladesh be a good choice? considering the history of people always rejecting and trying to fight off newcomers to their lands.

Qasim Abdullah   October 16th, 2009 1554 GMT
Of Course there is a thing called Global Warming,and yes it is a Natural Phenomenon, this Phenomena is known as “Global Warming”.
Basically, Global Warming is a Natural Process which cannot be stopped nor Altered by any means, the only role us Humans play in global warming is just Fastening the Process.
The Planet will eventually will grow Hotter and Hotter Centuries after Centuries even if there was no Human Technology at all,
Human Technology is Just Helps it grow warmer day by day,there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, all this “Climate Change Conferences ” are just for the name-sake, its completely pointless and useless, Global Warming is Inevitable.

advaita   October 16th, 2009 1622 GMT
The only thing constant is CHANGE. Get used to it!

Tom Smith   October 16th, 2009 1625 GMT
Do you think world leaders should host more events like these especially in countries like your own that are experiencing global warming directly, so the events will be more physical and visual rather than just verbal within the councils and governements of the world?
Because I think if it was more this way it will make the world understand this issue more and we will possibly see more action and publicity underway from the media and governments
Otherwise I am quite looking forward to seeing some pictures from this event and I’m sure the talk’s go well and I believe it’s a good idea.

Evan   October 16th, 2009 1634 GMT
Of course Clint you’re right.
There is NO such thing as global warming, despite the decades worth of research and evidence that points to the contrary. Of course, you’ll probably argue that the devil told those scientists to falsify that evidence, since judging from your post, I gather you to be an inept, right-wing Bible thumper.

cookoy   October 16th, 2009 1653 GMT
To deny any involvement in Global Warming is really sad. It’s like saying “Forest fires occur in nature before humans invented fire. So why bother putting out forest fires? They’ll happen anyway again. Let mother nature decide our destinies. Five billion years from now the sun will expand and engulf the Earth. We’re toast anyway. So why bother?”

Bob   October 16th, 2009 1654 GMT
It’s nice to know so many people can pronounce definitively based on their own biases. Shows great independence. Not much intelligence, but great independence of mind. Why would scientists who study these phenomena know more than you? Join the ostrich. Bury your head in the sand – but if I might make a small recommendation – don’t do it on a beach in the Maldives.

Allison   October 16th, 2009 1701 GMT
OK- Even if you do not belive in global warming, why would you not want to change how we live to help the people who live today, and the children who will grow up for tomorrow live a better cleaner more efficent life? This debate is not about belief, but about helping people and being concious of how we “steward the earth”. If we all stopped caring about who is right vs who is wrong, and sent letters to our congressmen about landfills and making recycling mandatory, and severing our dependance on foriegn oil by producing cleaner sources of energy in our country, we may be able to be an independant nation again, instead of morgaged out to the Middle East and China!
Think big! Not small.
Be willing to change not resistant to being better.

keith   October 16th, 2009 1705 GMT
Actually. there are periods of Global Warming and Global Cooling. Climate change occurs and it is a dynamic process driven by the interaction of a myriad of systems on the earth with energy being supplied from our Sun. Many of the interacting processes are not fully understood. To predict the evolution of global climate accurately is not within our capability. Quite simply we have insufficient understanding. While control of the climate system is not within current technological capability, at some in the future it probably will be. However, we
need to live with the consequences of climate change. This is what political people should be concentrating on. Leave the predictions to the scientists – it is a very difficult and technical area and an untrained journalist or politician is about as useful as an elephant in a China shop. At some point in the near future the Maldives will disappear – the question of how to integrate the populations of the Maldives and other areas under danger into other communities needs to be addressed – and this is non-trivial. People should be putting a lot more effort in to this area. Climate Change Conferences are important from a scientific point of view, it is necessary to exchange ideas and discuss new concepts when trying to understand a very multi-faceted problem.

Daniel   October 16th, 2009 1714 GMT
Clint… (I’m answering the first post)
Of course there have been natural fluctuations in the Earth’s climate. The Romans went from present-day Italy to Switzerland with Elephants through passages now filled with glaciers. Vikings named Greenland for a reason since there was no ice on it.
That’s not where the debate is.
The issue is that the current global warming is happening extremely fast. It is the fastest of all global warmings ever measured in the past 12,000 years (scientists can tell accurately the average expected temperatures by taking samples of air bubbles trapped in the arctic and Antarctic ice from these periods). Such a quick change is not naturally caused and has clearly been demonstrated to be correlated to human activity — its production of carbon dioxide.
If you drew a line-chart with (1) human activity (starting with the industrial revolution), (2) its resulting carbon dioxide emission, and (3) the rise in temperature of the earth’s atmosphere. You have 3 perfectly parallel and correlated curves.
If these curves weren’t related, say a change in temperature only started in 1950 AD, or in 1400 AD, then I would be on your side Clint. I’m like you, Clint, I always question everything I see. But in our case, global temperatures AND industrial activity started to rise at the EXACT same time, and are growing at the EXACT same rate.
Clint, I understand your point; how can we, little humans, produce enough carbon dioxide to change the composition of this huge Earth’s atmosphere? Well, Clint, if you remember 6th grade science class, the Earth’s “air” is composed of 70% nitrogen, 20% oxygen… well that only leaves 1% for all other gases. 1% of the world’s atmosphere, it’s not that big! And you have all kinds of funny gases, like helium, hydrogen, etc, floating around. That leaves even less space for… carbon dioxide. And it is carbon dioxide that allows us to live on this planet! Why? It traps heat from the sun to keep us warm, otherwise, we would be freezing at night in mid-summer. Now, Clint, think again of the amount of carbon dioxide produced by humans, but instead of comparing it to the Earth’s Atmosphere, you’re now comparing it to this tiny little fraction we’ve just discussed. Now, if you changed that tiny amount, the “ability” of carbon dioxide to trap more heat is significantly changed. There is such a small amount of carbon dioxide gas regulating our planet’s heating system, that injecting a bit more of it drastically heats-up the planet. We have been doing that for the past 200 years.
Clint, why do you think all the world’s government are united behind fighting this phenomenon if there was still the smallest doubt that humans were not responsible? Why do you think there is an entire system being put in place of carbon-emission cap-and-trade (i.e. buying and selling rights to pollute with carbon dioxide). It costs time, money and a lot of work… when we have so many other problems. Clint, tell me why do all world’s governments gather to discuss global warming if it is just a natural phenomenon and we couldn’t do anything about it?
You know what the DOD considers the single biggest threat to US security? Terrorism? Nope, but close. That’s actually a cause of what I’ll reveal. Where do terrorist recruit? Miserable, poor, uneducated, “nothing-to-lose” populations… often displaced populations! If coastal countries get flooded, that will lead to displacement of millions of people (including our friends in the Maldives), leading to discrimination, war, refugee camps… breeding grounds for weak, desperate minds waiting for a purpose… it only takes a few extremist to recruit hundreds of them. You guessed it right, the single biggest threat to the US, according to the DOD, on the long run, is global warming.
And there is a fantastic historical example. Yes, Clint, it has happened in the past. 480 AD, where present day Belgium and Holland are, lived the Saxons. These people lived on lands being regularly flooded (due to sea level rising at that time). They were surrounded by other barbarian groups with nowhere else to settle, constantly fighting, with no place to call home anymore. Long story short, after the Romans left Great Britain to defend Rome, a king overthrew the leftover Romans and hired the Saxons as mercenaries, only a handful. The displaced Saxons saw a weak country ready to be taken over, and over a century took over the entire Island, killing all those against them. If these Saxons had been able to stay on their land originally, none of this would have happened… Yes Clint, that global warming flooded their lands (like it will happen with coastal countries and the Maldives) displaced them and turned these people into criminals.
Clint, if all the above was too much information for you to digest at once, remember just this: We are the first generation able to change the world’s climate, and the last one that will not suffer its consequences. What will you tell your grand kids? Will you be like one of these senile old men still claiming that nobody ever walked on the moon?

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